Har noen av dere noe erfaring med den nye VOEC systemet og discos? Jeg legger ting i handlekurven, men får ikke opp noe moms (VAT). Har sendt mail til discogs, men ikke fått noe svar. Etter nå et par år hvor Norge har gått over til VOEC systemet så har flere og flere nettbutikker tatt i bruk dette, som for eksempel eBay og Amazon, og der kommer momsen opp med en gang i handlekurven, men det virker som discos fortsatt ikke har tatt dette i bruk? Eller er det jeg som gjør en feil.
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Discogs og betaling av moms!
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Ok. Men da må jeg regne med en saftig sum i etterbetaling av moms pluss at posten tar et ekstra gebyr for behandling av momsbetalingen?
Handler fra Discogs jevnlig og kommer nesten alltid unna momsen. Det hender jeg ryker på en betaling nå og da hvis jeg kjøper fra proffe selgere (de som også har regulær butikk), men fra private går det "alltid" bra.
Sist redigert:
Man bør jo alltid ved handel fra utlandet se på hva totalen blir inkl norsk mva og fortollingsgebyr. Ikke urimelig å betale moms på varene her i landet. 
Mest viktig å se at man ikke betaler mva/tax i der man kjøper det fra. (Da betaler man jo dobbelt opp av mva) Noen ganger så kommer man ikke unna det heller da....
Man kan jo være heldig å slippe unna norsk mva, ev at nettsjappa i utlandet krever inn norsk mva på forhånd. -Med en slik ordning så slipper man unna gebyret på 149.- fra Posten for fortollingen (149.- i gebyr opp til 3 tusen NOK hos Posten).
Mest viktig å se at man ikke betaler mva/tax i der man kjøper det fra. (Da betaler man jo dobbelt opp av mva) Noen ganger så kommer man ikke unna det heller da....
Man kan jo være heldig å slippe unna norsk mva, ev at nettsjappa i utlandet krever inn norsk mva på forhånd. -Med en slik ordning så slipper man unna gebyret på 149.- fra Posten for fortollingen (149.- i gebyr opp til 3 tusen NOK hos Posten).
Takk for svar. Virker jo veldig merkelig at de enda ikke har tatt i bruk det nye systemet.
^ Discogs er ikke noen web-shop. Du handler av privatpersoner, eller butikker som velger å annonsere der. På mange måter akkurat som å handle på Finn, eller Blocket.
Dermed er det ikke mulig med VOEC løsningen.
Dermed er det ikke mulig med VOEC løsningen.
Discogs fungerer akkurat som eBay, og eBay har måtte ta i bruk VOEC systemet og legger på 25% moms på alt du kjøper på eBay, samme om det er privatpersoner eller bedrifter.
Discogs selv har sagt de skal ta i bruk VOEC systemet. Men det har tydelighvis aldri skjedd. Skjønner ikke hvorfor.
In 2023, Discogs will start collecting Supply of Goods VAT on items imported into Norway and Electronic Service Fee VAT on the fees Norwegian resident sellers pay to use the Discogs platform.
Electronic Service Fee VAT
Electronic service fee VAT is assessed on Discogs’ selling fee and is paid by sellers based in Norway on domestic and international orders.
Who needs to pay the Norway Electronic Service Fee VAT?
All sellers in Norway.
How is electronic service fee VAT calculated?
Electronic Service Fee VAT is charged on the Discogs selling fee of 8%. The current Norwegian VAT rate is 25%.
Example: A Norwegian resident sells an item for 200 NOK on Discogs.
Discogs Fee Charged: 200 NOK * 8% = 16 NOK (charged as 1.83 USD)
Electronic Service Fee VAT: 16 NOK * 25% = 4 NOK (charged as 0.46 USD Total Charge: 16 NOK + 4 NOK = 20 NOK (charged as 2.29 USD)
How is electronic service fee VAT collected?
If you are a seller in Norway and you are not VAT registered, Electronic Service Fee VAT will be calculated on the total Discogs seller fee and automatically paid to Discogs at the time of buyer payment. Electronic Service Fee VAT is included on your PayPal transaction receipt, as a part of the Partner Commission line item.
If you are VAT registered in Norway, you can add your VAT ID to your Seller Settings. Providing a valid Norway VAT ID means that you will report and pay your own Electronic Service Fee VAT as appropriate for your individual situation. Electronic Service Fee VAT will not be deducted at the time of the buyer payment. Please seek advice from your Norwegian tax professional if you have any questions.
As a seller, what do I need to do?
If you’re a VAT registered Norway resident seller, please enter your Norway VAT ID in your Seller Settings. This is important to ensure the correct entity is charging, collecting, and remitting VAT; you as a seller or Discogs. VAT IDs are validated on a daily basis and you will be notified to provide a new VAT ID should your VAT ID become invalid.
Supply of Goods VAT
Norway’s supply of goods VAT is an import tax, similar to the newly introduced UK and EU supply of goods VAT schemes.
Who is impacted by Norway’s supply of goods VAT?
Sellers located outside of Norway shipping goods sold on Discogs to buyers located in Norway.
Buyers located in Norway who receive goods from Discogs sellers who are located outside of Norway. This means goods are being imported into Norway.
How is Norway’s supply of goods VAT calculated?
If the individual items in an order are each below the 3,000 NOK low value goods threshold, Discogs is required to charge and collect Norway VAT on the entire order value which is the total of the item amount plus the shipping amount.
If the individual items in an order are each greater than or equal to the NOK 3,000 low value goods threshold, the buyer will pay any VAT due on the entire order amount (item amount plus shipping amount) when the goods are delivered to them.
How is Norway’s supply of goods VAT collected?
Discogs will charge Norway supply of goods VAT on orders with individual item amounts that are less than the NOK 3,000 low value goods threshold. The supply of goods VAT amount will be added to the order total to be paid by the buyer at time of the payment. This amount is paid to the seller and will be displayed in the PayPal transaction receipt under the section Partner commission.
Discogs will not charge Norway supply of goods VAT on orders with individual item amounts that are greater than or equal to the NOK 3,000 low value goods threshold. In this instance, import supply of goods VAT becomes the responsibility of the buyer and the buyer will pay VAT on the total order value (item amount plus shipping amount).
What if I am VAT registered in Norway?
If you are either a Norwegian buyer or seller and are VAT registered, enter your VAT ID in your Settingspage. While this lives within the Seller Settings system, this applies to purchases as well, so rest assured you’re entering your information in the correct spot.
Supply of goods VAT will not be applied to orders or collected by Discogs when a Norwegian buyer is VAT registered and provides a valid Norwegian VAT ID. Likewise, Discogs will not charge electronic service fee VAT to Norwegian sellers who are VAT registered and provide a valid Norwegian VAT ID.
Sellers located outside of Norway shipping into Norway:
Attach Discogs commercial receipt to the outside of the packaging on all cross-border shipments. Please be sure the buyer’s address shows (rather than Discogs’ address) when folding and placing the commercial receipt on the outside of the packaging. The commercial receipt can be printed from the order page’s “Print” option.
The commercial receipt is an essential shipping and customs clearance document that provides information regarding the value of the order and whether supply of goods VAT has been charged or not (depending on the item value of each item in the order). For more information, please review our separate help document: What Is A Commercial Receipt And How Am I Required To Use It?
As well, when purchasing your shipping label, please be sure to check with your shipping provider what other customs requirements exist. It may be that you need to submit Discogs’ VOEC number electronically before sending the package. Our VOEC number is our Norway VAT registration number. At the time of publishing this help document, we do not yet have our VOEC number, but we will update both the commercial receipt and this document when we do.
Please also be sure to write Discogs’ VOEC number in bold letters on the outside of each package where the commercial receipt indicates Discogs has charged supply of goods VAT.
Electronic Service Fee VAT
Electronic service fee VAT is assessed on Discogs’ selling fee and is paid by sellers based in Norway on domestic and international orders.
Who needs to pay the Norway Electronic Service Fee VAT?
All sellers in Norway.
How is electronic service fee VAT calculated?
Electronic Service Fee VAT is charged on the Discogs selling fee of 8%. The current Norwegian VAT rate is 25%.
Example: A Norwegian resident sells an item for 200 NOK on Discogs.
Discogs Fee Charged: 200 NOK * 8% = 16 NOK (charged as 1.83 USD)
Electronic Service Fee VAT: 16 NOK * 25% = 4 NOK (charged as 0.46 USD Total Charge: 16 NOK + 4 NOK = 20 NOK (charged as 2.29 USD)
How is electronic service fee VAT collected?
If you are a seller in Norway and you are not VAT registered, Electronic Service Fee VAT will be calculated on the total Discogs seller fee and automatically paid to Discogs at the time of buyer payment. Electronic Service Fee VAT is included on your PayPal transaction receipt, as a part of the Partner Commission line item.
If you are VAT registered in Norway, you can add your VAT ID to your Seller Settings. Providing a valid Norway VAT ID means that you will report and pay your own Electronic Service Fee VAT as appropriate for your individual situation. Electronic Service Fee VAT will not be deducted at the time of the buyer payment. Please seek advice from your Norwegian tax professional if you have any questions.
As a seller, what do I need to do?
If you’re a VAT registered Norway resident seller, please enter your Norway VAT ID in your Seller Settings. This is important to ensure the correct entity is charging, collecting, and remitting VAT; you as a seller or Discogs. VAT IDs are validated on a daily basis and you will be notified to provide a new VAT ID should your VAT ID become invalid.
Supply of Goods VAT
Norway’s supply of goods VAT is an import tax, similar to the newly introduced UK and EU supply of goods VAT schemes.
Who is impacted by Norway’s supply of goods VAT?
Sellers located outside of Norway shipping goods sold on Discogs to buyers located in Norway.
Buyers located in Norway who receive goods from Discogs sellers who are located outside of Norway. This means goods are being imported into Norway.
How is Norway’s supply of goods VAT calculated?
If the individual items in an order are each below the 3,000 NOK low value goods threshold, Discogs is required to charge and collect Norway VAT on the entire order value which is the total of the item amount plus the shipping amount.
If the individual items in an order are each greater than or equal to the NOK 3,000 low value goods threshold, the buyer will pay any VAT due on the entire order amount (item amount plus shipping amount) when the goods are delivered to them.
How is Norway’s supply of goods VAT collected?
Discogs will charge Norway supply of goods VAT on orders with individual item amounts that are less than the NOK 3,000 low value goods threshold. The supply of goods VAT amount will be added to the order total to be paid by the buyer at time of the payment. This amount is paid to the seller and will be displayed in the PayPal transaction receipt under the section Partner commission.
Discogs will not charge Norway supply of goods VAT on orders with individual item amounts that are greater than or equal to the NOK 3,000 low value goods threshold. In this instance, import supply of goods VAT becomes the responsibility of the buyer and the buyer will pay VAT on the total order value (item amount plus shipping amount).
What if I am VAT registered in Norway?
If you are either a Norwegian buyer or seller and are VAT registered, enter your VAT ID in your Settingspage. While this lives within the Seller Settings system, this applies to purchases as well, so rest assured you’re entering your information in the correct spot.
Supply of goods VAT will not be applied to orders or collected by Discogs when a Norwegian buyer is VAT registered and provides a valid Norwegian VAT ID. Likewise, Discogs will not charge electronic service fee VAT to Norwegian sellers who are VAT registered and provide a valid Norwegian VAT ID.
Sellers located outside of Norway shipping into Norway:
Attach Discogs commercial receipt to the outside of the packaging on all cross-border shipments. Please be sure the buyer’s address shows (rather than Discogs’ address) when folding and placing the commercial receipt on the outside of the packaging. The commercial receipt can be printed from the order page’s “Print” option.
The commercial receipt is an essential shipping and customs clearance document that provides information regarding the value of the order and whether supply of goods VAT has been charged or not (depending on the item value of each item in the order). For more information, please review our separate help document: What Is A Commercial Receipt And How Am I Required To Use It?
As well, when purchasing your shipping label, please be sure to check with your shipping provider what other customs requirements exist. It may be that you need to submit Discogs’ VOEC number electronically before sending the package. Our VOEC number is our Norway VAT registration number. At the time of publishing this help document, we do not yet have our VOEC number, but we will update both the commercial receipt and this document when we do.
Please also be sure to write Discogs’ VOEC number in bold letters on the outside of each package where the commercial receipt indicates Discogs has charged supply of goods VAT.
Takk. Har prøvd å forstå dette, men samme hva jeg gjør så kommer det ikke opp noe felt der moms er registrert ved kjøpet. I handlekurven kommer kun prisen på produktet opp og hva det koster å sende, ikke noe 25% moms oppe på det.
Det er fordi det ikke er implementert ennå.
Ellers bør man vel nå kjenne sin besøkelsestid om man har mange plater på ønskelisten, mens man fremdeles har en svært god sjanse til å unnslippe momsen.
Ellers bør man vel nå kjenne sin besøkelsestid om man har mange plater på ønskelisten, mens man fremdeles har en svært god sjanse til å unnslippe momsen.
^^^ Dette var nytt og ukjent for meg.
Når Discogs implementerer VOEC, er det da slik at gebyr for forenklet tollbehandling også bortfaller?
Hva når/om selger "glemmer" å skrive VOEC på pakken?
Hvem bærer de administrative kostnadene for dette - blir det 8% påslag ved kjøp, slik det fremgår at det blir for salg fra Norge?
Når Discogs implementerer VOEC, er det da slik at gebyr for forenklet tollbehandling også bortfaller?
Hva når/om selger "glemmer" å skrive VOEC på pakken?
Hvem bærer de administrative kostnadene for dette - blir det 8% påslag ved kjøp, slik det fremgår at det blir for salg fra Norge?
- Gebyr for tollbehandling bortfaller.
- Glemmer selger å påføre Voec, tilkommer tollbehandlingsgebyr og mva. Mva kan søkes refundert fra Tollvesenet.
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Problemet bli´r noen ganger, at det oppkreves iht. VOEC, men dette skal samtidig registreres digitalt
hos det pågeldende lands skattemyndigheter av selger. Skjer dette ikke (som jeg har opplevd et par ganger),
bli´r du oppkrevd ved annkomst til mottaker-land likevel, selvom det sitter VOEC label på pakken. Opplevde det med forsendelse fra Ebay, og da refunderte Ebay den feiloppkrevde mva/moms, men IKKE gebyret. Så tapte 160,- dkr. i den
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hos det pågeldende lands skattemyndigheter av selger. Skjer dette ikke (som jeg har opplevd et par ganger),
bli´r du oppkrevd ved annkomst til mottaker-land likevel, selvom det sitter VOEC label på pakken. Opplevde det med forsendelse fra Ebay, og da refunderte Ebay den feiloppkrevde mva/moms, men IKKE gebyret. Så tapte 160,- dkr. i den
annledningen
Ja. Imidlertid vil Discogs avkreve selgere et gebyr, som nevnt i teksten over, og kanskje kan man påregne at frakt fra utlandet blir tillagt et ekstra gebyr av selger. Eller ikke; det må vi bare vente med å finne ut.
I så fall er det "bare" å la være å hente ut pakken, informere selger, få VOEC-nummeret og deretter informere Posten om forholdet. Litt styr, men eminently doable.
Slik det er fremstilt i teksten fra Discogs er det selger som blir pålagt gebyr. Hva det betyr for prisene, eller om det vil bety at selgere kan tillegge kjøpere utenfor EU sitt eget gebyr må vi bare vente med å finne ut. Kanskje vil det bety at noen selgere ikke lenger vil selge til Norge, for å slippe bryderiet. Time vil sjå.
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De 8% er vel et gebyr alle selgere betaler, mva eller ei, når de selger gjennom Discogs. Derimot må man betale 25% mer i gebyr for å selge til Norge.