Politikk, religion og samfunn President Donald J. Trump - Quo vadis? (Del 2)

[4-string]

I den grad tosken har spisskompetanse er det vel nettopp på mafiametoder.

 

[Dr Dong]

en skulle tro at et «land» gjennomsyret av økonomiske forskjeller hadde et politisk landskap som reflekterte dette; i stedet har de et politisk system hvor skillet går mellom politiske idioter og en viss form for normalitet.

 

[Sluket]

På det meste av andre egenskaper så er han derimot spissinkompetent....

 

[4-string]

Litt mer moro i vente for Fox News.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1678433246546391040

 

[bambi]

Ikke direkte om Trump, men Thomas Seltzer om republikanerne, drag, og kulturkrig.

– Dypest sett handler dette om at et land der middelklassen har blitt utarmet etter over 40 år med nyliberalisme. Med Reagan endte drømmen om new deal og velferdsstaten. Folk ble lovet at de skulle få det bedre om alt ble deregulert. Men så skjedde det motsatte. De ble ribba. I 1967 fikk middelklassen 52 prosent av velstanden, i dag er det omtrent sju prosent. Da søker folk etter forklaringer. Og når noen ikke vil innse at det skyldes deregulering, kapital og finans, så må de skape andre syndebukker. Republikanerne er et parti som ikke kan vinne valg på voksenpolitikk, men lager en tegneserieutgave av verden, sier Seltzer.

DRAG: DEN SISTE SYNDEBUKKEN

– Radikalisering i USA kommer ovenfra. Kulturkrigen er en avleder fra å ta tak i de strukturelle problemene. Og for å ha kulturkrig, må du ha fiender. Hvem fienden er, det er sekundært, sier USA-eksperten Thomas Seltzer.

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[Asbjørn]

^ PENGUIN LUST!!!

 

[bambi]

Elsker Opus, men må tilstå jeg ikke tok den uten å google.

 

[Asbjørn]

Intet er nytt under solen. Republikanernes glansnummer siden Ronnie gikk i kortbukser.

 

[Asbjørn]

Dagens tulling. Tre års fengsel virker litt lite. Ikke en sympatisk karakter.

Man who stormed Capitol while free on attempted murder charge gets over 3 years in prison for riot

A North Carolina man who stormed the U.S. Capitol while awaiting trial for shooting a teenager in the head was sentenced on Tuesday to more than three years in prison for attacking police officers with a flagpole during the riot. Matthew Jason...

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Matthew Jason Beddingfield, 22, was free on pretrial release for an attempted murder charge in Johnston County, North Carolina, when he joined the riot on Jan. 6, 2021. Outside the Capitol, Beddingfield flashed a Nazi-style salute after attacking police officers with a pole attached to an American flag, according to federal prosecutors.

FBI agents found eight guns and over 2,000 rounds of ammunition when they searched Beddingfield's family home. Images found on Beddingfield’s phone included swastikas, Hitler memes and others glorifying white supremacist ideologies, prosecutors said. Messages on the phone suggest he harbored “deep resentment” toward Black, Hispanic, Native American and LGBTQ people, according to prosecutors.

“In some of the messages and exchanges,” Murphy wrote, “Beddingfield unabashedly expresses his wish that members of those groups meet a violent end and in others he expresses a desire to inflict said violence or death on the same.”

 

[tjua]

Trump får ikke mye fritid

Trump can be held liable in writer’s defamation lawsuit after Justice Department reverses course

The department says it no longer has “a sufficient basis” to conclude that Trump was motivated in his statements about Carroll’s claims by more than an insignificant desire to serve the United States

english.elpais.com

A grand jury sworn in Tuesday could decide whether Trump is charged over Georgia’s 2020 election

Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis has been investigating since shortly after Trump called Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger in early 2021

english.elpais.com

Det skal han ha; utholdenhet utover normalen, de fleste av oss hadde vel gitt opp, skiftet kjønn, fått hemmelig adresse å sånt for lenge side

 

[4-string]

Det koster å være MAGA-tulling, heldigvis.

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[tjua]

Elsker Opus, men må tilstå jeg ikke tok den uten å google.

Vis vedlegget 934252

Samme, det er jo en helt ny verden å utforske. Krevende humor som utfordrer IQen

 

[Hardingfele]

Man må jo undre over hva Putin har på en del amerikanske kongressrepresentanter.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1679331468634386439

 

[Asbjørn]

Gaetz er ikke den eneste putinsleikeren der borte:

Marjorie Taylor Greene introduces amendment to pull U.S. out of NATO, destabilize the world

Now that the “Kari Lake: Unfiltered” show appears to be winding down its Mar-a-Lago run, Donald J. Trump is flashing his regal crimson neck wattle in search of a new (running) mate. It could very well be Georgia Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, the...

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GREENE: “Amendment No. 6 directs the president to withdraw the U.S. from NATO. My amendment would direct the president withdraw from NATO. They are not a reliable partner whose defense spending should be paid for by American citizens. For the better part of the last decade, Germany has contributed only around 1% of its GDP to finance NATO obligations while the United States is paying around 4% of our GDP to defend NATO countries. The United States has been financing and promising to defend NATO countries for decades and paying more than its fair share. Western European countries could and should be stepping up their financial contributions to ensure the security of NATO. Instead, they are entirely beholden to Russia, and the U.S. taxpayer is expected to foot the bill.”

After rolling out that dessert cart for Vladimir Putin, she teased a couple more goodies: an amendment that would prohibit the U.S. from sending F-16s to Ukraine, and another that would ban the provision of long-range missiles to the country, whose back Putin has been trying to break for nearly a decade now.

Trump was planning to withdraw US from Nato and ditch South Korea alliance, according to new book

‘Yeah, the second term. We’ll do it in the second term,’ then-president reportedly said

www.independent.co.uk

“Esper couldn’t say the same about Trump. In fact, Trump had privately indicated that he would seek to withdraw from Nato and to blow up the US alliance with South Korea, should he win reelection. When those alliances had come up in meetings with Esper and other top aides, some advisers warned Trump that shredding them before the election would be politically dangerous.

“Yeah, the second term,” Trump had said. “We’ll do it in the second term.”

 

[4-string]

Ting på gang i Arizona også. «Stop the steal» messet Trump, mens det var han selv som forsøkte seg på akkurat dét.

"We have to make sure that it’s clear to everyone its unacceptable to try to steal an election, to undermine and overthrow an election, and that’s what happened," Mayes told MSNBC earlier this year. "We have to make sure what happened in 2020 never happens again."

Arizona attorney general is probing 'alternate electors' in 2020 election

The investigation comes amid similar probes by special counsel Jack Smith and District Attorney Fani Willis in Fulton County, Georgia.

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[Asbjørn]

Dagens tulling får svi, og han var heldig som slapp med bare sju års fengsel. Påtalemyndigheten ville ha 15 pluss inndragning av fortjenesten fra å skryte av kriminaliteten sin. Kan tenkes at straffeutmålingen blir anket her.

Rioter who hurled bow like a spear at police during Jan. 6 attack gets more than 7 years in prison

A professional butcher whose bloody, wild-eyed face became one of the most memorable images of � the U.S. Capitol riot � was sentenced Thursday to more than seven years in prison for hurling a bow ...

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Prosecutors had recommended a prison sentence of 15 years and eight months for Fitzsimons, calling him one of the most violent and aggressive participants in the riot. They said he caused a “career-ending and life-altering” shoulder injury to Capitol Police Sgt. Aquilino Gonell.

Fitzsimons traveled to Washington, D.C., from his home in Lebanon, Maine, a day before the riot erupted. After attending Trump’s “Stop the Steal” rally on Jan. 6, he returned to his car and changed clothes, donning his butcher’s coat. He also wore a fur pelt around his neck and carried an unstrung wooden archery bow.

Fitzsimons joined the mob’s attack on police at the Lower West Terrace tunnel entrance, according to prosecutors. He threw his bow like a spear, hitting a Metropolitan Police Department officer’s head. He repeatedly swiped at a police detective’s face, trying to dislodge his gas mask. And he wrenched Gonell’s shoulder, permanently damaging it.

Gonell said he feared for his life, believing Fitzsimons was trying to drag him in the angry crowd of rioters.

 

[Hardingfele]

^ Neida, bare fredelige turister på omvisning, hele gjengen. En samling skuelystne som ønsket å ta en nærmere kikk på hvordan demokratiet fungerer.

Uheldigvis var de så oppildnet og begeistret over anledningen at de dokumenterte sin fredelige vandring med sine egne mobiltelefoner, mens de strømmet hendelsene. Så påtalemakten kan vise til entusiastiske utbrudd av typen "kill those goddamn police fuckers", "hang Mike Pence", "find that bitch Pelosi", som brøles lystig fra mange munner, mens man hamrer løs på bygningens vinduer og dører og kaster stålhindre på hodet til politi og kongressvakter, mens man retter pepperspray rett i øynene på dem.

 

[Asbjørn]

Ja, og denne fyren er en helt normal representant for Lincolns gamle parti.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1679098529652916225

 

[4-string]

A grand jury sworn in Tuesday could decide whether Trump is charged over Georgia’s 2020 election

Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis has been investigating since shortly after Trump called Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger in early 2021

english.elpais.com

Blir spennende den der, og ikke hjelper det å vinne valget heller. Kan ta sin presidential pardon og stappe opp der hvor sola aldri skinner, state crime moron!

 

[Asbjørn]

Breaking news! Valgfusk, helt ekte!

Shaker Heights attorney, a Trump supporter, tells judge he voted twice in last two elections by accident

James Saunders, a 56-year-old former attorney for the Internal Revenue Service, did not mean to commit a crime when he cast ballots in both Cuyahoga County and Broward County, Florida, counties where he owns property and has been registered to vote since before 2009, his lawyer said during...

www.cleveland.com

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- A Shaker Heights attorney accused of illegally voting in the last two general elections should be acquitted, in part, because he cast ballots in two states by accident, his attorney argued to a judge.

James Saunders, a 56-year-old former lawyer for the Internal Revenue Service, did not mean to commit a crime when he cast ballots in both Cuyahoga County and Broward County, Florida, counties where he owns property and has been registered to vote since before 2009, his lawyer said during closing arguments Wednesday.

Scott Roger Hurley, an assistant public defender, asked Cuyahoga County Common Pleas Court Judge Andrew Santoli to “come to a just result here that acknowledges that, yes, mistakes do happen, accidents do happen” and find Saunders not guilty of two felony counts of voter fraud.

Andrew Rogalski, an assistant county prosecutor, said the argument would have been more credible if Saunders had done it just once.

“The fact that you do that in consecutive general elections I think takes ‘accident’ to the land of imaginary doubt, and not reasonable doubt,” Rogalski said.

Federal Elections Commission filings showed that Saunders had made monthly donations to then-President Donald Trump’s re-election campaigns and various other conservative political groups in the run-up to that election. Prior to the November 2022 election, Saunders donated to groups that supported GOP congressional candidates in an effort to capture a majority in the U.S. House and Senate.

«By accident»

 

[skranglefant]

Imaginary doubt

 

[Asbjørn]

Full disclosure: En gang bodde jeg i Shaker Heights, OH. Det ble mindre enn ett år, siden fruen ikke trivdes spesielt godt. Fin forstad med et av USAs beste public school systems, men også mange tullinger i pickup trucks. I byen. Forundrer meg ikke at en slik figur kommer nettopp derfra.

Shaker Heights ranked 12th best suburb in America

Shaker Heights was ranked 12th best suburb in America by Niche, a ranking and report card website.

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[Aurora]

Amerikanerne tror nå stort sett sjøl at de er de glupeste på jorda, - men det har egentlig forundret meg lenge at det for det første går an å lage et så langt på vei hysterisk dårlig valgsystem, og deretter ikke gjøre noe med det... Til det siste er det vel å skjønne at begge sider mener at de tjener på galskapen i systemet, når de får det til å passe...

 

[JMM]

Systemet ga helt sikkert mening i 1776 da de bare hadde rundt 2m hvite innbyggere, hvorav rundt 60% av mennene kunne stemme, fordelt over et voldsomt landområde. At det ikke har blitt fullstendig forandret og forbedret siden da er en annen sak og den rene galskap, men helt siden dag 1 har det jo vært mange som så grunnloven som direkte inspirert av gud. Sånt tukler man selvsagt ikke med.

 

[Hardingfele]

Føderalistene var vel spesielt opptatt av å skille stat og kirke, i den amerikanske grunnloven, som i motsetning til den norske ikke har en åpningsparagraf som handler om hvilken religion som er Kongens og rikets og hvilke religioner og trosretninger som skal utstøtes fra samme. Første grunnlovstillegg understreket dette:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

Når det er sagt, var det fritt opp til delstatene å innføre offisielle religioner, og enkelte av dem valgte å gjøre dette, men på typisk kristent vis ble det mange versjoner av bibelfortolkning som ble innført, alt etter etnisk/religiøs sammensetning og opplevd tilhørighet.

Å leve "på bygda" i USA er som å kjøre gjennom et bedehustett norsk småsamfunn, med avarter av rett religion rundt hvert hjørne.

Vi kan oppsummere med vitsen til Emo Philips:


Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!" He said, "Nobody loves me." I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?"

He said, "Yes." I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?" He said, "A Christian." I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me, too! What franchise?" He said, "Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?" He said, "Northern Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?"

He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region." I said, "Me, too!"

Northern Conservative†Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912." I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over.

 

[Valentino]

Det der er jo helt Egersund.

 

[Hardingfele]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1680071525230321666

 

[Asbjørn]

Blir nok ingen god uke for den orange, denne heller.

Special counsel informs Trump he is target in probe of efforts to overturn 2020 election

Special counsel Jack Smith has informed former President Trump that he is a target in his investigation into efforts to overturn the 2020 election, say sources.

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https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/07/18/us/trump-jan-6-letter?smid=url-share#d0cddc94-b40e-5fb2-a00c-21f47ee8157e

Michigan charges 16 fake electors for Donald Trump with election law and forgery felonies

Michigan’s attorney general filed felony charges Tuesday against 16 Republicans who acted as fake electors for then-President Donald Trump in 2020, accusing them of submitting false certificates confirming they were legitimate electors despite Joe...

www.dailykos.com

Men, selvsagt:

Israeli antiquities are reportedly at Mar-a-Lago for some reason. Israel would like them back

Donald Trump provides a nonstop stream of outrageous, appalling, and gross headlines, and we’ve come to take that for granted. This is the weirdest Trump news in a while, though. Israeli newspaper Haaretz reports that Israeli antiquities loaned to the...

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Israeli newspaper Haaretz reports that Israeli antiquities loaned to the White House in 2019 are now at … Mar-a-Lago. Israel would like them back but has been unable to get them.

The antiquities, including ancient ceramic oil lamps that are part of Israel’s national treasures collection, were supposed to be displayed at the White House for Hanukkah, then returned within weeks.

Israeli antiquities are stranded at Trump's estate as authorities fail to retrieve them

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www.haaretz.com

 

[Hardingfele]

Hva gjør man ikke for stammens høvding?

 

[noruego]

Amerikanerne tror nå stort sett sjøl at de er de glupeste på jorda, - men det har egentlig forundret meg lenge at det for det første går an å lage et så langt på vei hysterisk dårlig valgsystem, og deretter ikke gjøre noe med det... Til det siste er det vel å skjønne at begge sider mener at de tjener på galskapen i systemet, når de får det til å passe...

Nå har jo ikke USA ett valgsystem men omtrent like mange som de har delstater. Det arkaiske rotet er et produkt av historie men mest av de store forskjeller mellom de ulike delstaters valglover.

Noe av det USA ofte blir kritisert for er at de på føderalt plan har inngått en rekke internasjonale forpliktelser for demokratiske valgstandarder men som de ikke kan håndheve da myndighet for iverksettelse ligger på delstatsnivå.

 

[4-string]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1681424737384435713

 

[palmaris]

Dark Brandon

 

[Hardingfele]

"You're saying that as if it's a bad thing?"

 

[PeriodeLytter]

Til dere som poster lenker til twitter. Husk at Musk har lukket døren til galehuset dere er på innsiden av Vi andre leser dette nå i enden av lenkene deres:

Amerikanerne tror nå stort sett sjøl at de er de glupeste på jorda, - men det har egentlig forundret meg lenge at det for det første går an å lage et så langt på vei hysterisk dårlig valgsystem, og deretter ikke gjøre noe med det... Til det siste er det vel å skjønne at begge sider mener at de tjener på galskapen i systemet, når de får det til å passe...

Etter ha lest Hans Høeg's bok er jeg ikke optimistisk at det er vilje til å endre systemet. Og de som kanskje har slik ønske har gjerne med seg annen ballast som er å regne som ekstrem. Brian Klass som har studert hva systemer gjør for å få fram bedre ledere.

 

[tjua]

Har vært inne i diskusjonen tidligere

‘Smart and strong’: Trump’s praise of Mar-a-Lago judge casts doubt on process

As the case over the former president’s handling of classified documents reaches preliminary arguments, focus now alights on Aileen Cannon, appointed by Trump himself and ratified by both parties in Congress

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Gitt hennes tidligere pro Trump avgjørelser hvorfor får hun ny mulighet med denne?
Hvilke ankemuligheter har «Staten» dersom ny pro trump avgjørelse ?

 

[4-string]

En viss dreining er det nå, dette hadde ikke skjedd for 3-4 år siden. The Sphere, Las Vegas.

Edit: hadde vel ikke skjedd for bare ett år siden heller.

 

[Kjendis]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1681424737384435713

Skjønner ikke at Biden har samvittighet til å gjøre narr av ytre høyre. Men om en stund får han fengselcelledøra i retur rett i fleisen når han blir satt inn bak lås og slå, dømt for grov korrupsjon. Bare vent å se. Det er derfor det er så stille. Trump og co har skiftet strategi fra grining og roping til å holde kjeft og bygge opp en sak mot Bidens.

 

[Aurora]

Hvis det faktisk er slik at du selv tror på alt vrøvlet du serverer, begynner jeg å nærme meg det punktet hvor jeg faktisk føler en viss medlidenhet for andre menneskers dårskap....

 

[4-string]

Trump, her avslappet og trygg. Denne mannen frykter intet.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1681984045326950401

 

[Disqutabel]

Hvis det faktisk er slik at du selv tror på alt vrøvlet du serverer, begynner jeg å nærme meg det punktet hvor jeg faktisk føler en viss medlidenhet for andre menneskers dårskap....

Det er vel usikkert om vi ser bevisst trolling og f...skap, men saken er at jeg tror nok i dette tilfellet kan han ha helt rett; Trumps hevngjerrighet kjenner få grenser. Terger du the great DJ in the sky, kommer du til å måtte betale. I Bidens tilfelle tviler jeg ikke på at Trump presser en eller annen dommer han har noe på, til å sende en gammel hedersmann i buret.