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    Pro-Palestinian Hacker Group Took Responsibility for X Cyber Attack – Before Elon Musk Blamed Ukraine

    Musk’s baseless accusation came after weeks of political attacks on Ukraine and its allies, even though a notorious hacking group had already said they were responsible for the attack.


    Sier litt om hvordan fyr Musk er
     

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    Captain of crashed cargo ship is Russian national
    The captain of the MV Solong was arrested on Tuesday after colliding with an oil tanker of Yorkshire

    Så spørs det om det var med overlegg gitt lasten til det ankrede tankskipet. Hadde dette vært i russland så hadde det vært full krig. La oss bare kjøre samme metode her

    og, hvem står bak rederiet?
     

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    Litauen var tidlig ute, her fra over 3 år siden.

    Two signs were installed in the Liepkalnis area of Vilnius, indicating distances to the Ukrainian and Belarusian capitals. A comment says that Minsk is “occupied by Kremlin”.

    On Wednesday, the Council of Vilnius has decided to name a road section leading to the Russian Embassy, hitherto nameless, Ukraine Heroes Street.


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    Espen R

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    Vedrørende 30-dagers våpenhvile, så er summen av ekspertuttalelsene at dette blir det sannsynligvis ikke noe av.

    For det første ønsker russerne å holde krigen i gang, ikke fred. For det andre stiller russerne en mengde krav for en avtale som det vil være umulig for ukrainerne å godta.

    Putin vil holde spillet i gang, være «interessert» i fred, komme med parallelle utspill, desinformasjon, anklagelser mot motparten og frem for alt vil dem dra ut tiden så godt dem kan. Da hindrer dem inntil videre at Trump slår om og sender mere våpen til Ukraina.

    Anbefaler folk å se gårdagens Urix og uttalelsene fra dem som har sittet i forhandlinger med russerne. Russerne er eksperter på dette, stiller svært godt forberedt, har dyp bakgrunnsinfo på motparten og er eksperter på psykologi.
     

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    Og du tror ikke at Trump stiller svært godt forberedt, har dyp bakgrunnsinfo og er god på psykologi?

    Næææh.
    Mange mener at Trump har begynt i feil ende. Det å sette premisser og betingelser for åpen mikrofon, da har han ikke forstått russisk tankegang og russisk kultur. Der skal alt skje i bakkanalene og i bakrommet uten dagslys. Når en avtale er på plass, så presenteres den for hele verden.
    Hvorfor skulle Putin være en underdog overfor Trump og spille på hans premisser?
     

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    Mange mener at Trump har begynt i feil ende. Det å sette premisser og betingelser for åpen mikrofon, da har han ikke forstått russisk tankegang og russisk kultur. Der skal alt skje i bakkanalene og i bakrommet uten dagslys. Når en avtale er på plass, så presenteres den for hele verden.
    Hvorfor skulle Putin være en underdog overfor Trump og spille på hans premisser?
    Inntrykket mitt er at det ikkje er spesielt for Russland, heller at slik det er slik fredsavtalar er. Eg har ingen førstehandskunnskap, og tykkjer ofte det høyrest vassent ut når forhandlarar skryt av at dei har fått partane til å snakka saman.

    Men kanskje det må vera slik. Forhandlingar krev at båe partar har ei formeining om

    - kva dei vil ha (maksimum)
    - kva dei må ha (minimum)
    - kva dei kan gje (maksimum)

    Det intuitive utgangspunktet for ei forhandling er jo å erklæra ein vil ha alt og gje ingenting, og det er jo det som er utgangspunktet når ein sender soldatar for å døy. Ikkje «hald denne høgda til siste mann, slik at vi kan forhandla ho bort for fred».

    Så er det forhandlaren som må forstå det reelle minimumet for kva partane må ha og maksimum for kva dei kan gje. Det vil unekteleg krevja ein del finesse, og kanskje ei evne til å leggja press på partane. I så måte vart kanskje sjansane for ein fred øydelagde då Ukraina måtte leggja fram sine «maksimum vil ha» for opa verdsscene, og Russland kunne kontra med sine kapitulasjonskrav, akkurat slik Russland eigenhendig torpederte forhandlingar ei lang stund ved å erklæra dei okkuperte områda for del av Russland.

    Eg plukka ut Hilde Henriksen Waage si Peacemaking is a risky business (om Oslo-avtala) frå bokhylla, og om forhandlingane i Washington skriv ho (p. 51)
    The negotiations in Washington were deadlocked. The publicity surrounding the talks made serious and constructive discussion almost impossible. Informal meetings, showing substansive progress, were blown to pieces as soon as the media got to know of them. When Israelis and Palestinians pinpointed where their problems lay and defended their attitudes in front of the whole world, it became increasingly difficult to be flexible or to change one's mind. The lack of secrecy was a key problem.
    Så synte også Oslo-avtalen fundamentale problem med ein liten stat utan maktmiddel som forhandlar, men det er ei anna sak.

    Tillegg:

    Mitt inntrykk er at målet til Trump heile vegen har vore å tvinga Ukraina til å godta ein fred som er eit par millimeter frå kapitulasjon. Det er iallfall slik det framstår i media. Men heile denne førestillinga forstår eg ikkje, og det kan jo ikkje vera heilt slik Putin såg det føre seg, heller?
     
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    Dersom ikke US nå sender mye mere utstyr uten restriksjoner på bruk vil denne krigen fortsette i lang tid. Putin vil ikke ha våpenhvile eller fred, da er det over og ut for ham personlig.
    Det er det eg ikkje heilt forstår. Det er garantert eit spel her, men slik Trump ber seg åt som ein galning i andre samanhengar, har eg store problem med å tru at forhandlingane med Moskva er fullstendig scripta. Har vore litt delaktig i barneteater, og veit kor vanskeleg det er for 8-9 åringar å hugsa lange manus.

    Eg trur Russland kjem til å seia ja til Trumps våpenkvile, etter litt om og men. Ikkje det ser ut som er ein god avtale (🤮) men Trump kan kassera inn ein siger på heimebane der han viser at «hardt og effektivt diplomati» nyttar.

    Det er meir interessant dersom eg tek feil, og Russland ikkje seier ja. På eitt eller tidspunkt kan jo Trump forstå at han har spelt USAs posisjon fullstendig ut på sidelinja. Då vil han jo finna ein skuldig, nokon som har vore veldig slem mot han.
     
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    Det er det eg ikkje heilt forstår. Det er garantert eit spel her, men slik Trump ber seg åt som ein galning i andre samanhengar, har eg store problem med å tru at forhandlingane med Moskva er fullstendig scripta. Har vore litt delaktig i barneteater, og veit kor vanskeleg det er for 8-9 åringar å hugsa lange manus.

    Eg trur Russland kjem til å seia ja til Trumps våpenkvile, etter litt om og men. Ikkje det ser ut som er ein god avtale (🤮) men Trump kan kassera inn ein siger på heimebane der han viser at «hardt og effektivt diplomati» nyttar.

    Det er meir interessant dersom eg tek feil, og Russland ikkje seier ja. På eitt eller tidspunkt kan jo Trump forstå at han har spelt USAs posisjon fullstendig ut på sidelinja. Då vil han jo finna ein skuldig, noko som har vore veldig slem mot han.
    https://traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/d79...playlist=86067dfc-d436-4194-a175-b149013ac6ef

    Wolfgang Wee Uncut: #611 - Cecilie Hellestveit | USA vs EU, Ukraina vs Russland

    Episodens nettside: https://omny.fm/shows/wolfgang-wee-uncut/611-cecilie-hellestveit-usa-vs-eu-ukraina-vs-russl

    Mediefil: https://traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/d79...playlist=86067dfc-d436-4194-a175-b149013ac6ef
     

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    Siden jeg har blitt glad i å lage korte lister med alternative fasitsvar, så slenger jeg inn en her også.

    A: putte/russland vil ikke godta våpenhvilen slik forslaget er nå.
    B: de godtar avtalen for å oppnå fordeler med usa samt litt pustepause før de skylder på noen andre for at terrorangrepene tas opp igjen.
     

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    Siden jeg har blitt glad i å lage korte lister med alternative fasitsvar, så slenger jeg inn en her også.

    A: putte/russland vil ikke godta våpenhvilen slik forslaget er nå.
    B: de godtar avtalen for å oppnå fordeler med usa samt litt pustepause før de skylder på noen andre for at terrorangrepene tas opp igjen.
    Putler til pressen i dag « det er en nesten 2000km frontlinje, hvem skal overvåke grensene og stadfeste hvem som eventuelt bryter fredsavtalen»? Putler smilte sleskt da han sa det. Det sier det meste, ikke sant?
     

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    Min tanke:
    For putte og donald så er det ikke så viktig om avtalen overholdes. Det viktigste er å inngå avtalen, slik at donald umiddelbart kan løfte på sanksjoner mot russland på alle mulige måter, spesielt for å lettere få penger inn fra den kanten istedenfor at alt må sluses via elon, men aller mest for å glede pappa putte.

    Hva som skjer tre dager etterpå er ikke så viktig. Husk at det kan ta laaaang tid å gjeninnføre sanksjoner når de først er opphevet.
     
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    Ukraina har også røde strek som ikke får krysses. Trump skal streve med å finne felles grunn mellom angriper og forsvarer.


     

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    Secretary of State Marco Rubio said Tuesday that if Russia rejected the 30-day U.S.-brokered cease-fire that Ukraine had accepted, “we’ll unfortunately know what the impediment is to peace here.” We knew that before, but now we know even on Mr. Rubio’s terms, as the Kremlin on Thursday said nyet.

    President Trump’s envoy, Steven Witkoff, is visiting Moscow, and the Kremlin welcomed him with the back of its hand. Yuri Ushakov, a close adviser to Vladimir Putin, told Russian television that a cease-fire would be “nothing other than a temporary breather for Ukrainian soldiers.” He added, “our goal is long-term peaceful resolution. . . . Steps that imitate peaceful actions are not needed.”

    Mr. Putin emerged later to sand the rougher edges off Mr. Ushakov, saying he really wants peace. But it must be a “lasting peace,” and not merely a temporary cease-fire. Mr. Putin said there are “nuances” that require “painstaking research,” and those no doubt include conditions as part of a cease-fire that limit Ukraine’s ability to defend itself.
    In other words, Mr. Putin wants the killing to continue until he gets closer to achieving his war aim of subjugating Ukraine.
    And killing he continues to do. Since Washington and Kyiv agreed on the cease-fire Tuesday, Russia has launched at least 250 drones and four ballistic missiles targeting Kyiv and other Ukrainian cities. Russian forces are also continuing to advance on Ukrainian positions in the Kursk region in Russia that Ukraine had taken in a surprise offensive in August.
    The Russians on Wednesday took the town of Sudzha, and Mr. Putin donned fatigues and visited the region to cheer on his troops. Russia claims to have captured several hundred Ukrainian soldiers, and videos circulating on social media appear to show Russians executing unarmed Ukrainian prisoners. Mr. Putin called the prisoners “terrorists under Russian law.” This violates the Geneva Conventions since Ukrainian soldiers in uniform are legal combatants under the laws of war.
    Meanwhile, the Washington Post says a think tank close to Russia’s security service, the FSB, last month produced a report arguing that the Kremlin should stoke divisions between Washington and Europe. Russia could then continue its assault on Ukraine unimpeded.
    The Post says the think tank says that if the U.S. agrees to stop arming Ukraine in return for a Kremlin promise not to arm regimes hostile to America, such a commitment from Russia would be “difficult to realize.” No doubt. We can’t vouch for the Post’s reporting, but this has the smell of Kremlin truth and is consistent with Mr. Putin’s behavior
    As for Mr. Trump, he somehow detected good news in the Kremlin comments. The President said at the White House that there was “a very promising statement” from Mr. Putin but “it wasn’t complete.” Merely uttering the word “peace” isn’t promising.
    With his bludgeoning of Ukraine to make a deal without promises of U.S. aid or security, Mr. Trump has given Mr. Putin every incentive to keep the war going to put himself in the strongest possible position if there ever are serious peace talks. Does Mr. Trump have a Plan B beyond beating up Ukraine to make more unilateral concessions?
    Mr. Trump suggested last week that Mr. Putin “wants to get it ended,” referring to the war, and that “in terms of getting a final settlement, it may be easier dealing with Russia.” Nothing Mr. Putin has done or said since Mr. Trump began his war tilt toward Russia suggests that Mr. Putin has any such intention.
     

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    Om de skipet med russisk kaptein, som kjørte rett inn i et stillestående lasteskip med drivstoff til det amerikanske militæret.


    Har ikke sett videoen ennå, skal nok se den senere i kved.
     

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    Secretary of State Marco Rubio said Tuesday that if Russia rejected the 30-day U.S.-brokered cease-fire that Ukraine had accepted, “we’ll unfortunately know what the impediment is to peace here.” We knew that before, but now we know even on Mr. Rubio’s terms, as the Kremlin on Thursday said nyet.

    President Trump’s envoy, Steven Witkoff, is visiting Moscow, and the Kremlin welcomed him with the back of its hand. Yuri Ushakov, a close adviser to Vladimir Putin, told Russian television that a cease-fire would be “nothing other than a temporary breather for Ukrainian soldiers.” He added, “our goal is long-term peaceful resolution. . . . Steps that imitate peaceful actions are not needed.”

    Mr. Putin emerged later to sand the rougher edges off Mr. Ushakov, saying he really wants peace. But it must be a “lasting peace,” and not merely a temporary cease-fire. Mr. Putin said there are “nuances” that require “painstaking research,” and those no doubt include conditions as part of a cease-fire that limit Ukraine’s ability to defend itself.
    In other words, Mr. Putin wants the killing to continue until he gets closer to achieving his war aim of subjugating Ukraine.
    And killing he continues to do. Since Washington and Kyiv agreed on the cease-fire Tuesday, Russia has launched at least 250 drones and four ballistic missiles targeting Kyiv and other Ukrainian cities. Russian forces are also continuing to advance on Ukrainian positions in the Kursk region in Russia that Ukraine had taken in a surprise offensive in August.
    The Russians on Wednesday took the town of Sudzha, and Mr. Putin donned fatigues and visited the region to cheer on his troops. Russia claims to have captured several hundred Ukrainian soldiers, and videos circulating on social media appear to show Russians executing unarmed Ukrainian prisoners. Mr. Putin called the prisoners “terrorists under Russian law.” This violates the Geneva Conventions since Ukrainian soldiers in uniform are legal combatants under the laws of war.
    Meanwhile, the Washington Post says a think tank close to Russia’s security service, the FSB, last month produced a report arguing that the Kremlin should stoke divisions between Washington and Europe. Russia could then continue its assault on Ukraine unimpeded.
    The Post says the think tank says that if the U.S. agrees to stop arming Ukraine in return for a Kremlin promise not to arm regimes hostile to America, such a commitment from Russia would be “difficult to realize.” No doubt. We can’t vouch for the Post’s reporting, but this has the smell of Kremlin truth and is consistent with Mr. Putin’s behavior
    As for Mr. Trump, he somehow detected good news in the Kremlin comments. The President said at the White House that there was “a very promising statement” from Mr. Putin but “it wasn’t complete.” Merely uttering the word “peace” isn’t promising.
    With his bludgeoning of Ukraine to make a deal without promises of U.S. aid or security, Mr. Trump has given Mr. Putin every incentive to keep the war going to put himself in the strongest possible position if there ever are serious peace talks. Does Mr. Trump have a Plan B beyond beating up Ukraine to make more unilateral concessions?
    Mr. Trump suggested last week that Mr. Putin “wants to get it ended,” referring to the war, and that “in terms of getting a final settlement, it may be easier dealing with Russia.” Nothing Mr. Putin has done or said since Mr. Trump began his war tilt toward Russia suggests that Mr. Putin has any such intention.
    Men så er det dette da er det i det hele tatt mulig for Russlands økonomi å stoppe krigen på det nåværende tidspunkt?:


    Russia’s economy is creaking under the weight of war, wracked by labour shortages, sanctions, high inflation and record interest rates. But equally, the conflict is its only remaining engine of growth.
    After three years of war, nationalist anti-Western propaganda has also become the basis of Putin’s power.
    “Putin does not want peace and he’s not going to settle,” says Simon Johnson, MIT professor and former chief economist at the International Monetary Fund (IMF). “He’s enjoying the war. It’s awful. But he doesn’t want to end the war.”

    The war economy now makes up between 8pc and 10pc of Russia’s GDP. “For a country that is waging a war not on its own soil, that is a lot,” says Alexander Kolyandr, of the Center for European Policy Analysis (CEPA). The war industry has become the main driver of the Russian economy.
    On the surface at least, all this spending is fuelling a strong economy. Russia’s real GDP grew by 3.6pc in 2024, according to the IMF – more than triple the growth seen in Britain last year. Real wages in Russia rose by 9.4pc in 2024, according to Rosstat, the Kremlin’s statistics agency.
    But only one business is booming: war.
    “The manufacturing industry, which includes the defence industry, was the only sector that showed growth in 2024,” says Alexandra Prokopenko, a fellow at the Carnegie Russia Eurasia Center who worked at Russia’s Central Bank until 2022.
    Russia has doubled production of armoured vehicles, while some ammunition manufacturers have quintupled their output. Manufacturing production jumped by 7.6pc in the first nine months of last year.
    But outside sectors directly linked to the military, growth is anaemic at best, says Prokopenko.
    “Consumer spending is driven by larger salaries to servicemen or even payouts to casualties,” says Agnia Grigas, of the Atlantic Council’s Eurasia Center.
    The war effort is sucking investment and manpower away from the non-military sector, leaving the private sector to shrivel.
    “Over time, Russia’s ability to maintain and develop a dynamic non-military economy is being cannibalised,” says Sir Laurie.
    “If they ever come to unwinding the war economy, there won’t be the civilian economy left to take up the slack.”
    ]
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/busines...afford-peace-russia-economy-is-hooked-on-war/

    The second is about Russia’s longstanding tactic of appearing to agree with ideas then bogging them down in endless negotiation so they never come about, hoping hte other side gets exhausted-- and then just lying about any promises made.,

    Vladimir Putin had three options: accept Ukraine’s ceasefire offer, but surrender momentum on the battlefield; reject it and risk antagonising Donald Trump; or try to drag things out so he can continue fighting as long as possible.
    He has chosen option three.
    By praising the US president and the idea of stopping the war, he hopes to stay in Mr Trump’s good books. But his immediate raising of “nuances” to discuss should be a red flag.
    This is a classic Russian negotiating tactic – as any diplomat who has been in a room with Sergei Lavrov will tell you.
    By breaking every proposal down into an infinite number of constituent parts, he will attempt to appear co-operative while playing for time, bogging down the talks
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/03/13/putin-is-choosing-to-drag-out-the-war-in-ukraine/
     
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